Things have felt a little quiet over here on the podcast and that’s because so much has been happening behind the scenes. Today, I’m interviewed by my friend, Joy Michelle, because I’m been navigating a major career transition, balancing family, and finding peace in unexpected opportunities these last couple of months.

Listen in as we reflect on the importance of trusting God’s guidance, especially when stepping into a new season. It is crucial to pursue work that aligns with personal strengths and values, and to pay attention to how something makes you feel rather than how it makes your life look.

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Finding Work that Aligns with Your Passion

In the past, I’ve discussed the potential of leading our creative arts and communications team at church, but it’s never been anything serious. Until January—when i was approach in a more official manner and decided to really think about it. I was just feeling like I needed to lean into what God wanted me to do with my life and career.

The weight and responsibility to bring in a specific amount of money was heavy on me when I was in a shift of moving to group coaching and online course sales. Additionally, I was feeling very alone in entrepreneurship.

My course launch last November did really well, however, the amount of work to develop and market it did not align with the payout—it was exhausting. It wasn’t the type of business I wanted to have in the long-run, just constantly in marketing mode to make money through the course.

Finding the Sweet Spot in Your Calling

Our church has been working through what we call Blueprint, which is essentially helping you find your calling in a way that aligns with you. Finding the sweet spot that aligns with your location, surroundings, and more is key.

My current business simply didn’t fulfill that sweet spot for me. This role at the church did.

What Surprised Me After Taking a Full-Time Role

I know I’ve always cared about the people in my business and the stories of transformation that they experience. There was never a doubt in my mind that I would always love that. What did surprise me in this process was how little I think about my business. I only think about the people, not the business as a whole.

I also realized that I almost never pick up my phone to scroll Instagram in this new role. I honestly thought I was just lazy at home and couldn’t focus to get work done, but it wasn’t that.

Finding Humility to Accept My Calling

One of the most powerful things about this new role is that I get to use my strengths and passions to communicate and coordinate work that has a direct impact on a ministry I love.

This was 1000% God. I wasn’t looking for this work. I didn’t know I needed it. It was everything I didn’t know I could have in my life.

As entrepreneurs, we glorify this idea of working for yourself and being your own boss, but this isn’t for everyone. It took humility to accept this new role and path for my life.

My fear through all of this, even in sharing it publicly was that it looks like I failed or I couldn’t hack it, which feels extra scary because I was coaching people. The reality is that I don’t even feel like I failed, I feel like I’ve stepped into a role where my talents are better a fit.

What Will Happen to this Business & this Brand?

You might be wondering, what will happen to the business and the brand—it’s still a bit undecided. As of right now, I will be finishing out the year with my current clients and students. Beyond that, I will be taking one-off one-on-ones.

The course is still available for enrollment! If you’re looking for a Profit First backed online course for creatives so you can confidently manage your money, give yourself a raise and make the right financial decisions in your business, this course is for you! Use discount code CICPodcast for $350 off the course and be aware that Office Hours will discontinue in 2025!

Meanwhile, we will see the podcast come to a close.

Advice for Those Navigating a Transition Back Into a Full-Time Role

Anything you do like this brings a level of risk—you’ll never have 100% certainty. My advice to those who are facing a decision like this is that you need to talk to those who know you best, determine your needs, and make the decision for you.

Through this journey, the biggest thing that has been on my heart is that there is not a one-size fits all and what you think is ideal may not be best.

Key Moments

• 1:21 – Val’s Professional Shift: From Course Launch to New Job
• 4:12 – Realizations and Challenges in the New Role
• 7:32 – Surprising Benefits of the New Job
• 16:41 – Future of Val’s Business and Podcast
• 21:27 – Advice for Career Transitions

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Joy: You’re listening to the Creative Income Care Podcast. My name is Joy Michelle. I am not your host, but today I have the privilege to interview your host I am joined by Val Marlene, and this is a special episode together because you may have noticed it’s been a little bit quiet here. There have been some big shifts happening for Val professionally, and I get to ask some questions that I’m sure you’re wondering as well about what that means and what is next.

Val. Welcome to your show.

Val: Thank you. What a funny introduction to my own show, but I love it and I’m so excited to finally share what is going on.

Joy: Yes. Okay. This is going to be fun because I love asking people questions. Of course, as we are both podcast hosts, this is like our jam and I know it’s been a little bit quiet here on your podcast for the past couple of months. So do you want to share what has happened for you? What life has looked like over the summer that may have contributed to that quietness?

Val: Yeah. So, it actually all starts in January. it’s wild. It’s been a very wild year. Just life change that I was not expecting. I wasn’t looking for. but back in January, our lead pastor at our church approached my husband who works at our church. And he asked if I would ever be interested in coming on staff to lead the creative arts team.

So we call it the communications team. It’s not just a team. It’s 100 percent creative, but you know, it covers all of those bases. And at first this had actually kind of come up a couple months before, just like in passing. And we were like, Oh no, I was launching my course at that point. And it just was like, not even in the realm of possibility in my brain.

But then in January, I had just been feeling like I needed to really ask God what he had for me and like not knowing where it was going to go. I’ve made a lot of shifts. I went from mostly one on one to group and then from group to focusing on the course. And just in that time, the kind of the weight of responsibility of bringing in a certain amount of money for our family was just getting heavier and heavier and I think also in hindsight now, I’m realizing, I think it’s possible that all of the time alone was starting to get to me. If you look at my test results for Myers Briggs, I’m pretty strong on the extrovert side.

Joy: I didn’t know that. That’s

Val: Yes. And, so extrovert doesn’t necessarily mean like the most bubbly, like gonna, you know, go start a conversation with somebody, but it’s where you get your energy and that is 100 percent where I get my energy. At the end of like a social situation, I have a bunch of energy and I can just keep going.

And my husband, Mark, he is an extrovert, but not quite as far. And he needs to like, still have some alone time. I never desire to be alone.

Joy: Oh my gosh. Okay. We could not be more different, but I love this for you. This is so great. So you kind of hinted at initially when this was a conversation, you brushed it off like, nope, I’m not thinking about this. I’m focused on my program. So what the shift look like? Were And how did you know that this was a perspective that you should maybe consider? Mm hmm.

Val: Well, I’m going to be super honest and I am hoping this is going to be helpful to some people who might. Either be in a similar situation or it’s just refreshing to not hear like the same perfect success story over and over. when I launched my course in, I think it was like November, December, it did well, I actually still have the sticky notes on my wall right now.

I think I had somewhere in like the 30 to 40 signup range, which by quantity of people, that’s. That’s a pretty great launch. however, the amount of work that I had to put in and the mental load that it took to market that, and then how long paid out for me, I was really exhausted by that and I mean, part of it was that I was, you know, doing this sale and the lower price to just like get word out there more.

so I knew what it meant, but then after it happened, I only really got through about a month and a half financially. As a result of that. And that was a huge wake up moment for me. Like, Oh, I don’t think I can mark it like this.

All year long.

Joy: like this isn’t aligned. This isn’t the business I want to be running in the long run. That’s huge Okay, so did that open you up to okay, maybe this isn’t where god has me

Val: So I think that was one of the final straws. I think there have been a lot of things over the past few years. I’ve done a lot of self discovery. we went through this, it’s called blueprint. It’s a program our church has been putting together. That’s it’s gospel centered life design. And so you, you, you.

you assess like your personality and your strengths and your story and like the ways that like God has grown you and it kind of culminates in you determining a calling and that can be overused and kind of used in the wrong way and so I don’t want it to sound like it’s like this crazy over spiritual thing, but, what it does is it helps you to identify just where you’re probably going to be used most and then also get the most energy.

And I realized in that process, the minute I realized it, I remember this moment because I just immediately started crying. there’s a part of your sweet spot that is context and context is like the The place, the location, your surroundings of where you’re doing this work. And that was that moment that like extroverted piece of like, wow.

I don’t know that I have what it takes to build my business to the size it would need to be for me to have this context.

Joy: Right because it’s largely in isolation when you’re a solopreneur

Val: Yes.

Joy: so that didn’t feel like perfect alignment for you based on your giftings

Val: Right. And especially the energy piece. And Now that I did take that job, I guess we never officially said that.

Joy: Yeah.

Val: now being in that job for a while and being around people all the time, I’m just realizing how much I think I was actually suffering

because I didn’t have the people around me.

And it would have been. Man, I would have had to hustle and basically kill myself so hard to have that size of a team

Joy: Hmm. Interesting. Okay. I think that’s the perfect segue into my next question, because I was going to ask, is there anything that has surprised you about this new job? And it sounds like there are a few things and maybe this being one of them. What else can you share around anything that surprised you?

Val: Yeah, well, this is also kind of vulnerable. Um, I’m really surprised at how little I think about my business.

Joy: Ooh, this is so good. I love how vulnerable you’re being. Let’s keep it up.

Val: Yeah. And I want to be clear and this is what I’ve been afraid like sharing because I don’t want any of my current clients or, course students to think that I just don’t care about them. It’s actually the opposite. It’s always been the people that I think have kept me.

And like the stories of transformation that people have had, like, that is literally what has kept me going. And I still care so much about that. People that like, even just my plans for moving forward, that’s all I’m thinking about.

Joy: And I think I can echo that because we’ve been on private zoom calls where we’ve talked about courses and just, you know, really like masterminding together as business owners. And I’ve seen that that’s like at the jelly center of it all is just, let me help people. Let me help women make more money. so that’s can echo that so much.

So, um, Okay. So thinking a little bit less about the business, realizing, okay, in order to see this mirrored in my business, it would have had to look so different. It would have taken quite some time probably to get to

that point.

Val: Mm hmm. Mm

Joy: has surprised you?

Val: Yes. Okay, so, actually, I had this big realization once I started this new job. That I was not expecting at all, but I almost never pick up my phone to scroll Instagram or to look at whatever. And I honestly, again, just super honest here. I thought I was lazy. I thought that I wasn’t a great worker because in the middle of my day here in this office at home.

By myself, there would be a lot of times that I’d be like, Oh no, I need to stop scrolling. Like that’s not, that’s not working. That’s not helpful. Sometimes it feels like working, you know, just I was so distracted all the time and it was really hard and I was constantly feeling horrible about myself because of how hard it was for me to focus.

And I just had no concept of why that would be. And also I’m an Enneagram one. And so guilt is my like unhealth

Joy: um,

Val: go to. And so there was a lot of time in the past couple of years. I was like, what’s wrong with me. Why can’t I focus and just get these things done?

And I’ve even said to you, Joy, like, I wish I was a three who just gets crap done.

Joy: Just machine through it all.

Yeah,

no. Okay. So how are you feeling now in your work day in this creative role at the church?

Val: Great.

Joy: Interesting. And you’re surprising yourself with how focused and great and undistracted you’ve become.

Val: yes, it is wild. Even though there’s people around and I’m being interrupted constantly. I mean, that’s a part of my job because I’m, so I’m overseeing designers, photographers, videographers. and so what’s fun is that it was such a perfect translation of I’ve been coaching creatives. I am a creative, but I also have this weird, like more administrative side to me.

And so I’m getting to bridge that gap, which I was doing before, but , just a different way. And I’m, almost never distracted looking at my phone. Honestly, I don’t even have my phone on my desk a lot of the time. And so it’s been so life giving to be doing this work that I really, really care about because obviously it’s, I mean, It comes back to what I believe and that being like the most important thing in my life and being able to use my strengths to communicate that out to other people in our church and, and to support the ministries.

Cause a lot of what our team does is we design and create for the different ministries in our church. So we’re kind of, We’re creating content and somewhat marketing for like a lot of different things.

Joy: Yeah. This is so interesting like from where I’ve seen this develop and how I knew when you shared this with me on Voxer, one of my initial thoughts was like, I wonder How you’ll feel doing this and if you’ll be utilized. And now I’m like, Oh my gosh, everything you’re saying as an Enneagram one with every admin and creative piece, all kind of coming together, it sounds like it very much is this like overlap of all of your strengths.

Val: It’s wild. and I guess I haven’t said this yet. And this is so important. All of this, like the fact that I wasn’t looking for it, I didn’t know I needed it is 1000 percent God. And I have felt just so seen and cared for, by him in that process. And the fact that I didn’t know what I could have.

I thought that I would work for myself the rest of my life. And honestly, I probably had a little bit of an attitude and somewhat of a misconception about that, you know, like we glorify

Joy: hmm.

Val: for yourself and being your own boss, but I’m having this moment of. That’s not actually the best fit for everybody.

And so, man, I just feel like there’s probably a lot of people who feel that way and I want them to feel the freedom to maybe a day job is better.

Joy: Yeah, it’s not for everyone and for every season, and maybe there’s even a hybrid of the two, and letting yourself find what fits you in your season for your family and the life you want is the beginning of everything, and not making it look the way that it needs to look online. So do you feel like there was a level of almost like humility that it took to step into it, to be open to it?

Val: Especially even, I would say this conversation and just going public with all of this, my fear is that it looks like I failed. and like, , I couldn’t hack it, which feels extra scary because I was coaching people,

Joy: Okay, and then let me ask you, I love that you’re sharing, like, here’s how I’m fearful it would look. How does it actually feel? Do you

Val: Oh

Joy: like you failed?

Val: no,

Joy: There you go.

Val: no. I feel like, and I’ve actually said this before all of this happened, I have just seen so many times over and over everything that I’ve done in the past has been like preparing me for the next thing. And there are things I’m doing now and managing now that I wouldn’t have been able to do at this capacity if I hadn’t had those other experiences and that goes all the way back to my first day job right out of college that I took just because we needed to pay the bills And I’ve talked about this with finances, like that, I think really set me up for like the spreadsheets and being able to even communicate technical things in a more understandable way. But then all of those things now, they are all coming together again, in a new way, in this new role where. I do have to manage a budget.

I have a team of nine people right now that I’m overseeing but also have to manage, you know, the money for that. But then just, like I said before, communicating with creatives and even all of the like social media struggles that I’ve had over the years and the things I’ve learned, I get to apply those now to a place that I Really, actually, what’s great about it is it’s already established and already has I would say, a significant compared to, Maybe what I was doing in my business, a significant following in the sense that I’m not like just scratching and clawing, trying to get people to listen.

I’m getting to use a lot of the things I learned in my business, the hard way, and maybe never thrived. In, but I’m getting to use them and apply them to our church social media in ways that, they just work because it already has the foundation. Does that make

sense?

Joy: people are listening. You’re not waving your arms online saying, please care. People are like, yes, we care. This is wonderful. So, okay. My next question for you is, will you keep running your business in your personal brand?

Val: This is a somewhat undecided answer. Um, so I have some one on one clients that I’ll finish out the year with, beyond that, I will take one off one on ones. So I won’t do long contracts, and it’s mostly just going to be past clients. So someone who has worked with me in some capacity in the past, But , I won’t be taking on a brand new client who has no idea any of like my finance stuff or, you know, any of the other things and doing it from scratch just for, honestly, I think, for their sake, just as much as mine,

Joy: Yes. It’s a totally different time commitment to start at zero with someone rather than come back with a past client. I think that’s so

smart.

Val: yeah.

Joy: So.

Val: the course.

Joy: say. Well, how’s that gonna work?

Val: right. So the answer is I don’t actually know yet. So part of this is I would actually be totally open to just hearing from people, if people want to email me or DM me on Instagram, currently my thought is , I’m going to. Continue the course as it is through the end of this year,

because I want anyone who has purchased it, to be honest, there’s been very few since I started this because I’ve, you know, done no marketing.

Joy: Right, right.

Val: and so I want to give anyone who bought it kind of last winter. To have had a full year with the office hours to get their questions answered. and then I will probably be adjusting the course to not have the office hours or any of that, starting in 2025,

Joy: I love that.

Val: as of now, leaving the course. available and I’ll reduce the price because I’m not doing the live aspect.

And also I just want it to be accessible. Like, yeah,

Joy: So now is the perfect time to get into this program is what you’re telling me. It sounds like now, cause it could be going away and in the way that it is with the support that it has is probably

Val: yeah,

Joy: 2025. Awesome.

Val: It almost, 100 percent sure that it will. and yes, yes. And I’ll, you know what, I’m just gonna, I don’t know exactly what it’s going to be. We’ll put it in the show notes, but I’m for sure going to just throw a discount on it because at this point, like I just want people to be able to have the content and the help I don’t need the money right now.

And that’s actually another fun fact about all of this So the month that I was able to pay myself my full paycheck from my business, the last month that I could do that. The next month I got my first paycheck from the church and it is literally only 50 different.

Joy: Oh,

Val: Like so the way that it worked out, so like for our personal budget, And this is just another one of those things where I’m like, God is in the details and he cares and he is providing.

And so at this point, me continuing the course to any capacity, it’s just because I, I want people to have. The help to get the help they need. And so even if somebody, this is who I am, this, you’re just getting to experience, like I hated needing to do certain things financially and I just want to truly, I just want to give it away.

And so if anyone is like, I actually can’t afford it at all. If you email me and ask for access, I will probably just give it to you.

Joy: oh my gosh. I love this. This whole episode is such a gem. Okay. So now I’m very curious to know what is the future of this podcast?

Val: Well, it is going to be ending. This will be. the second to last episode. So I am planning to do one final episode and we’re just going to make it an ask me anything. So people can email or DM, um, and I’ll just pull from what people ask. And I’m just going to be an open book and answer whatever the questions are.

That will probably happen in September, so we’ll have a couple weeks

Joy: Okay.

Val: people to get their questions in but I mean, it’ll stay up, so the episodes will still be there for people to get if

they need help.

Joy: As an archive, as a resource to go back and to listen to. I love that. Okay. One question I have is for anybody listening who might be in a similar situation where they might have a job offer on the table or they’re wondering like, Hey, if this opportunity came to me, how do you know if it’s the right move for you in that season?

Do you have any advice for someone who might be torn or just wondering how to know, really discern what

Val: hmm.

Joy: the right move for me.

Val: Mm hmm. Well, to be completely honest, There will probably not ever be 100 percent certainty. Like anything that is a big change like this, there’s some level of risk. And so I think it’s a combination of talking to the people who are really close to you in your life and really know you.

And we’ll speak plainly to you, and tell you the truth. Seeing kind of what they think about it and processing, like really thinking about your personality and your strengths and your weaknesses and , don’t let other people be the reason for anything. Like it needs to be, okay, what am I best suited for?

What is going to be a good fit for me and my family? what is going to be best for us? And even sometimes in that it’s not obvious. This was actually really hard. For us as a family, for me to go to work in more hours and that for our girls, I think has been hard, but because I felt so sure that it was a better fit for me personally, but then also to be completely honest, I just felt like God was so good to me.

here, do this. And that came from some really intentional prayer, and fasting. Actually, this is something Jordan was really influential. Jordan Jones will link her in the show notes too. Um, she was just really encouraging for me when I was going through this decision of reminding me of how.

Fasting can be just so revealing

of, what things that we’re feeling and thinking, but then also where God really has us. And so, if you’re a believer, honestly, you have an, easy source of, of wisdom and. And I really think that God does point us in the right direction when it’s, when it’s a hard decision, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be crazy obvious,

Joy: hmm.

Val: we all want.

We just want the

Joy: The writing in the sky, the, the neon sign, the, like, just send me a message. And there’s, there’s so much freedom in Christ as well. And I think that’s also a really like permissive, but frustrating for somebody who wants it to be so black and white and so obvious, like, just send me a text message, Jesus, please.

It doesn’t always work that way. And it’s like, you get to decide, you get to take that, you know, you and your husband like talked about it and made that decision and said, okay, like, let’s try it out. And like, , that’s a good choice, just like passing could have still been a good choice. It’s just, it was right for you.

Val: , I love that you said that because. I don’t think that there is always a clear, like, this is God’s will. like you said, I think God gives us choice. what that means though, is that we don’t need to be stressed about making the right choice because he can make the choice, right.

Whichever direction we go.

Joy: yeah.

Val: , and that’s, like you said, it’s beautiful and also stressful.

Joy: It’s kind of ambiguous,

but

it’s like you’re walking in obedience. And if you’re

walking in obedience, then he can make the choice, right? Oh, that’s so good.

It’s such a little, I love that soundbite. That’s so

good.

Val: Yeah.

Joy: Okay. Wow. So are there any other like thoughts, takeaways? breakthroughs, things that you’re like, Oh, I wish, I wish I could share this, but I don’t know when the right time is.

And now

Val: Mm.

Joy: to share this journey.

Val: Mm. I think the biggest thing that has just been on my heart is And I’ve kind of already said it, but just to restate that there is not a one size fits all, and there is not always an ideal scenario, or what you think is ideal may not actually be best. This is something I had to learn in this process, especially thinking about my kids.

I thought, That it is quote ideal for me to be a stay at home mom and to be with them all of the hours that I can and if they’re sad about me working, then that just. Immediately translates to, I did the wrong thing, right? But that’s actually not the case. I’ve had some really good moments, honestly, in the last month or two, where my husband has been really encouraging and saying that just because you think this is ideal, doesn’t mean it’s bad.

And sometimes as a mom, we think that making our kids happy and not going through any struggle or any hardship is ideal, but I’m literally living through this right now. Some of hardest things we experience are what grow us the most. and those are the things that get us to where like God actually is going to have us eventually.

And so we have to go through hard things. And that means our kids have to go through hard things, and that doesn’t make it wrong.

And it might actually be what they need

to learn a certain lesson or to grow in a certain way. That’s really going to serve them the rest of their lives. And just ultimately overall, I think kind of a one liner is, I think we just need to be less serious.

And

Joy: like that.

Val: like the world is not going to end with every little decision that we make or we’re not going to completely ruin our children like they are going to go through hard things in life and it’s more about how we shepherd them through that and how we walk through it and, Really showing them how to lean on God through it.

Mm

Joy: Yeah, like that’s the biggest tool you can give your child. And when I think about, Growing up, all the things that I didn’t like that my parents did are what made me who I am and made me a hard worker or not expect everything to have instant gratification. And, you know, I probably had a little attitude about every single little thing.

So definitely couldn’t look at me and be like, well, if Joy’s not happy, then I guess I’m doing something wrong. And you’re so right though. You’re so right that the ideal is not always what’s best.

Val: hmm. Yeah, , it was a hard lesson, but it’s been so freeing. Like, , I just feel a huge weight off of me. And it is, I mean, it sounds cheesy, but just, it’s priceless. And so I don’t want anyone who loves running their own business to think I’m saying that that’s also like the wrong thing.

I’m saying you gotta like pay attention to yourself and where you thrive, how your family thrives, but that doesn’t always mean there’s not hard things like, you know, all the caveats, but really ultimately I think the biggest piece of advice is to trust God with your life. And to keep going back to him and leaning on him to get through whatever it is and just try to be faithful wherever he has you.

Joy: Yeah, I love that. One of the things that you said that stood out to me was you need to do things because they’re a fit for you or that you’re called to them or that you’re actually good at them and not because of what someone expects of you or something that you’re scared to change and that is such a like daily practice saying like, am I doing this?

Am I still doing this? Am I still choosing to do this? Because I actually want to do this and this is still a fit in my season now I think that’s so huge. this has been so fun. I’ve loved to hear like this journey, this progression that you’ve walked as an entrepreneur. And then now with this job and managing all these incredible creatives, and it sounds like we have one more episode to expect from you here on the podcast.

your course is going to be changing. So people should jump into that while they still have the chance. I’ve seen the back end of this course. It is so detailed and so incredible. You don’t skimp on any of it. And think sometimes right now, especially it’s like, you don’t know what you’re going to get from someone with a course sometimes, because it feels like everyone has a course.

Um, but if I can just kind of like say that. This is one of those courses that you get into and you’re like, Oh, shoot. This is like someone did their homework. This is a legitimate program that has changed people’s lives and businesses. So rest assured, you’re not going to get into like a one module program.

this is a serious situation with so much thought and intention. and I mean, your testimonials speak to that as well. Okay. Any other final thoughts as we wrap this up?

Val: don’t think so. Just thank you. I feel like this is the best way I could have shared all of this. I couldn’t, couldn’t comprehend how to like, just, Word this all on my own and this was a blessing to me. So thank you so much

Joy: I am honored when you sent me it as the message was like, Hey, can you interview me? I was like, I will be there. Done. Absolutely.

I got my questions. I am such a nosy person. This will be no problem. This has been so, so fun. and send your questions into Val. She’s going to be obviously answering all of the, ask me anything.

And as you. Seen and heard in today’s episode. She’s getting real. She’s getting vulnerable. So ask the question that you’re kind of wondering, like, am I allowed to ask this? Ask

it. It’s going to make the juiciest final wrap up episode ever.

Val: Can’t wait.

It’ll be so fun

Joy: Yes. I can’t wait to listen to it. I can’t wait to see what you do next.

Val: Awesome. Thank you so much joy

Joy: You’re welcome.